Yvonne Aburrow ([info]vogelbeere) wrote,
@ 2006-07-04 09:22:00
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Entry tags:environment, inclusionality, philosophy

involvement in nature
BBC News: Science/Nature: Lost connection to animate Earth

It's interesting to see this type of article on the BBC website, but the holistic view espoused by the author is problematic. It's not so much that people have lost their connection to the Earth - connection implies that we are essentially separate and need to be connected - as that people have ceased to feel involved in nature. We are involved in nature all the time. Even something so simple as breathing or eating is a natural process, involving us in nature; we just need to realise this on a deep level in order to modify the way we treat the Earth.

The author posits that the mechanistic world view created by science is responsible for this lost connection - however, the tide was beginning to turn on this view in the 1840s with the Transcendentalist movement (Ralph Waldo Emerson et al) and continued to turn towards a mystical understanding of the world throughout the late 19th and early 20th century (according to The Place of Enchantment by Alex Owen). I think the blame lies rather with capitalism, consumerism and war.  And, as my friend Alan Rayner writes, with the view that existence is struggle:

Are we disconnected from nature? No, we can’t be. Which is why our natural dynamic neighbourhood will continue to suffer unless we unhook ourselves from the myth that we are internally driven individuals engaged in relentless Darwinian Struggle for Existence. This myth arises from regarding matter and space as opposites - something and nothing. It gives rise to the fallacious logic of ‘to be or not to be’, which ends in human tragedy. Space doesn’t isolate. It connects us all in a common pool.
Stephan Harding also suggests that mystical oneness with the Earth will change people's behaviours - it might go some way towards it, but the lack of interest in actual nature (as opposed to symbolic nature) among some modern Pagans is rather alarming - I recently posted on a mailing list and a forum about "Wicca and the land" and have as yet received no response.

Here's the post:
I've been reading the excellent The Art of Conversation with the Genius Loci by Barry Patterson. It contains a lot of stuff that is similar in outlook to what I do already, but was very helpful with ideas to expand on it.

How do other people relate to the land / genii loci / local deities? Or do you tend to relate to Nature in general, or to the Earth, or what? Does nature form an important part of your practice? (This doesn't necessarily automatically mean 'Do you work outdoors?' of course.)

Also, what is your relationship with the city? Do you find images & echoes of the divine in the city?

For me, putting down roots in the area where I live & celebrate is very important. I love going on walks in my local area, finding out the local folklore and history, getting to know the trees, land-wights, and local deities. I respond to landscapes. I also respond to architecture and urban landscapes (especially if they're nice!) I am not one of these people who thinks all Pagans should move to the countryside - far from it, I think the city is the place most in need of Paganisms, and the safest place for Pagans to be.

Related articles (by me on this subject):
I'm the Urban Pagan, Baby
Magical attunement to a new home
I was encouraged some time back by the enthusiastic response to a post about ecological footprinting, though.  Also a discussion about "Urban vs Rural Paganism" ran to ten pages.


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[info]dr_madraykin
2006-07-04 12:06 pm UTC (link)
What a terribly strange (but incredibly welcome) article to find on the BBC - thanks Y, much appreciated.

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[info]e2tallguy
2006-07-05 01:57 pm UTC (link)
I saw the article and I agree with you about transcendant philosophy. I think it's a damaging way to look and life and the planet.

I am currently in the process of buying books on Bristol, as I want to understand the history of the place I am living. There is a book about sacred wells on my list, but I can't seem to find the books I had seen in a bookshop. They were on the individual areas of Bristol, like Horfield and Redland, Clifton, etc. I may have to ask my house vendor who the author was, as I want to learn about the local area. She has a copy, but I'm trying to keep from disturbing her as much as possible, as she has a small, ill baby.

I think a little research goes a long way in understanding genus loci.

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[info]vogelbeere
2006-07-05 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Hi Brian

We have lots of books on local history. I certainly recommend Phil Quinn's book on holy wells (though some of the map references are a bit out). Also (though a bit further afield) Katy Jordan's book on Wiltshire is very good. And the Barry Patterson book is excellent - I can honestly say that if people were only to read one Pagan book, it should be The Art of Conversation with the Genius Loci.

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[info]e2tallguy
2006-07-05 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Good. I was buying Phil Quinn's book anyway. I'm glad it's good value.

I'll add Katy's Jordan's book is only available through her personally. Do you know her?

I'll add the Patterson book.

I'll also let you know if I find out what the series on the neighbourhoods of Bristol is.

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[info]vogelbeere
2006-07-05 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Yes I do know her - and it's a really well-written book.

There's also a guy called Ian Bishop who does books with old photos of the Bristol area.

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[info]e2tallguy
2006-07-05 02:46 pm UTC (link)
I might try to pass the money through you to her then. We'll sort something out for meeting up...

Hmmm. I am going to have to go back to the vendor and ask her who wrote that book. Grr - I am bad with names, and hate it when I am looking for something and can't find it.

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[info]vogelbeere
2006-07-05 03:04 pm UTC (link)
OK, I'll ask her if she still has copies. If not, I think I've seen it in the second-hand bookshop in Glastonbury.

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Nature Religion for Real
(Anonymous)
2006-07-11 03:29 pm UTC (link)
I have long been preoccupied with this topic too, and once published an essay on it in the American journal GNOSIS (www.lumen.org).

You can find the essay at
http://www.chasclifton.com/papers/forreal.html

I look forward to exploring some of your links.

Chas Clifton
http://www.chasclifton.com/blogger.html

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